Cut or uncut?

[JimJohnson]

Then that, of course, brings in a whole bunch of other questions. You aren't born with tattoo's, piercings, body augmentations, but people have those as well.

The human race is a melting pot of conforming ritualists. To single out one specific idea or practice among the many is ignoring the fact that most of everything we do is to either fit in or "go with the flow". "You're unique and original just like everyone else."

I would say let the parents decide and do not provide any outside pressure one way or the other. The point at which we all believe it is our place to provide unsolicited advice is the point that I check out of the conversations.

I have two tattoo's, the difference is as a person. I am allowed to make that choice, based on MY life experiences. Both are symbolic to things in my life I never wish to be without. Internal beauty and loyalty.

Now when you get something forced on you at birth because parents are sheep. With no say? No thanks. Medically the process is not an issue to perform later in life. They do it at birth originally for religious reasons.

The whole fit in or go with the flow is what is killing this nation. The fact people are complacent about is makes me rage inside with a burning that can not go away.

 

[DT]

People are complacent about it because they choose to be. People have circumcisions performed right after birth because of religious beliefs, also a choice and a right.

Sure, we can all stop being complacent about this, but to be able to do that, you would have to remove a person's right to free choice. The argument folds on itself inherently.

 

[Dealings]

Circumcision is NOTHING like clitoral removal, which is a barbaric act intended to control women

my image of a clitoral removal is some poor baby girl being held down either at birth or as a young girl and some old woman w a razor blade cutting it off.

The US does not support or condone or allow this procedure to be legally done in the United States regardless of religious or social beliefs, maybe in time males will get similar consideration, as it is considered barbaric and mutilation to do this to girls by most.

Not sure how popular circumsion would be if this was the primary method.

the difference to me seems that since most circs. are done in a hospital by a licensed Dr. and currently covered by insurance it seems to be more acceptable.

Some jewish folks are starting to come around as well and doing a bloodless naming ceremony, not every jew is orthodox and believes life should be exactly as it was 2 thousand+ yrs ago.

 

[Dealings]

kept reading more about the process and origin and its Brit Milah (covenant with god), however for christians this process was deemed unneccessary as it is replaced by baptism.

it seems the catholic faith though has for the most part kept a neutral acceptance of it, does have negative opinions of the act, and some have gone as far as saying its immoral.

 

[JimJohnson]

People are complacent about it because they choose to be. People have circumcisions performed right after birth because of religious beliefs, also a choice and a right.

Sure, we can all stop being complacent about this, but to be able to do that, you would have to remove a person's right to free choice. The argument folds on itself inherently.

They have it preformed now so that the child does not stand out as different when they start socializing. Organized sports/physical fitness class(if they even still have those).

The one being cut, has no choice, and has his rights stripped from him. If they are of the religion I have no issues, because it is a religious part. The rest, it is done so they feel like the others.

The only reason it is done at birth is from the time its done to the time you know what happened, the pain you experienced is gone, and you know no other way.

If the experience is so traumatizing that it needs done before you can really retain the feeling of pain... That well to me, would fall under INHUMANE acts of behavior, regardless if its a Medical Specialist. If it is to painful for men to go through at later points in life. Hmm yea that makes sense lets do it anyways just hope they don't remember these nerve sensors getting cut away.

 

[Dealings]

I think i was reading that men that were forced to do this as adults chose to try to avoid the memory of pain to their children.

At one point it was attempted to do this w out annesthesia (some thought it prudent not to use anesthetics on infants, however they stopped that cause some babies would cry so much they would choke and stop breathing.

Again not thrilled w my decision, maybe if you are all for it as a dad be there when they are gonna do it hold the baby down, I know if this was an option given to me I would have most likely said hell the fuck no.

I dont think I was happy during and after it was done.

 

[Alexandra]

I think i was reading that men that were forced to do this as adults chose to try to avoid the memory of pain to their children.

At one point it was attempted to do this w out annesthesia (some thought it prudent not to use anesthetics on infants, however they stopped that cause some babies would cry so much they would choke and stop breathing.

Again not thrilled w my decision, maybe if you are all for it as a dad be there when they are gonna do it hold the baby down, I know if this was an option given to me I would have most likely said hell the fuck no.

I dont think I was happy during and after it was done.

I could not watch and go through with it...that is probably the root of my stance

 

[cudacuf]

There's something to be said for the protection of a woman too. If a guy is uncut and has bad hygiene, there is a risk of his dick cheese infecting the woman he's having sex with.

 

[SiegeTank]

Curcumcision does have proven medical benefits, beyond those of removing the need to fiddle with a foreskin to keep your prick nice and clean.

Read this:

http://www.ask.com/wiki/Circumcision

and this:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/03/120312102148.htm

Seems it protects somewhat against penile cancer, prostate cancer and reduces transmission of various diseases, including HIV.

And I hardly think anyone can argue that the only "real" difference between circumcision and clitorisl-removal is that the first is usually done hygenically and the latter is NOT. I have never heard a valid defense of clitoris-removal that would be accepted by anyone with an iota of common sense. Even those firmly opposed to circumcision have to concede that "reasonable men" can differ on this topic.

 

[Dealings]

the assumption of being unhealthy is the same as being unclean is on par w saying all women's reproductive privates are filthy and un clean period.

If either male or female genitals are unclean I advise you from abstaining and taking some time for a little personal hygiene.

 

[Alexandra]

There's something to be said for the protection of a woman too. If a guy is uncut and has bad hygiene, there is a risk of his dick cheese infecting the woman he's having sex with.

Avoid unclean men ! Honestly though it's a little extra skin, us women have an entirely different structure, I think it boils to learning to clean oneself properly.

 

[voodoo13]

I'm not cut and its freaking sweet! I can jerk off with my no lube easily cause I can just move the foreskin up and down. Plus the foreskin has as many nerves if not more as your palm does. Just rub your palm and you'll see what mean. So if you're cut you're missing out on all that stimulation.

lol... I understand since you are not cut, you don't really know how a cut guy gets off, but you are wrong. The methods are the same.

Well I meant more in the terms of getting stimulation from the foreskin alone.

 

[Dealings]

I have never heard a valid defense of clitoris-removal that would be accepted by anyone with an iota of common sense.

amongst the muslim community the ones that do, claim social and religious beliefs

kinda the main reason its supported for males at this point, religious or social (currently fitting in) atm

 

[voodoo13]

I don't see how people can have it uncleaned, all you gotta do is roll it back, put a little soap on it, scrub, rise off with water, then blow dry it when you get out of the shower so it doesn't smell. That's like 30 seconds tops, and what guys doesn't wanna fondle their Johnson? Am I right?

 

[SiegeTank]

I have never heard a valid defense of clitoris-removal that would be accepted by anyone with an iota of common sense.

amongst the muslim community the ones that do, claim social and religious beliefs

kinda the main reason its supported for males at this point, religious or social (currently fitting in) atm

Wow, man. Can you read? I linked info that provides far more support than "just" religious or social reasons. Unless you think all those studies were contrived by a secret cabal of physicians who run circumcision "mills."

Mayans practiced human sacrifice and other cultures have practiced cannibalism---both claiming "religious beliefs"---to mention just two of the perversions mankind is capable of but that doesn't justify those practices, right? That's where "common sense" and "reasonable men" come in.

 

[cudacuf]

 

[Dealings]

for what ever OLD studies there supported circumcision once there is the entire AMA and countless other sources that do not, thats a fact

to be clear no i dont think human sacrifice or cannibalism is in any way shape or for acceptable, think we as humans have evolved passed that, in time perhaps this practice will fade to history.

What was common sense to them, then , what is common sense to us now will more than likely change in X ammt of time.

 

[DemonH2]

I cut, for a few reasons.

1.) I am cut, and very glad I am.

2.) The phrase "that penis looks weird because it is circumcised" has never been uttered in the history of language. You are kidding yourself if you think that being uncircumcised won't hurt your chances of having sex in the US. I know 3 women off the top of my head that has said they wouldn't. So there's 3 out of your pot.

3.) Getting cut when you are an adult has a higher chance of complications, and much higher chances at losing sensitivity.

4.) Obvious hygienic reasons. I don't care how clean you are, you have a piece of skin trapping in every bit of sweat, oil, and secretions, and then baking it at a nice 98.6 degrees. Shit is gonna get funky by noon if you scrub in the morning.

5.) Less likely to contract HIV, and helps lowers your chances of certain cancers.

6.) It isn't that bad for the baby, if someone says it is then they are lying. My son cried 10x more at his first bath than he did the circumcision.

7.) It looks like you have a fucking anteater sprouting out of your crotch.

 

[Dealings]

The phrase "that penis looks weird because it is circumcised" has never been uttered in the history of language

being circumcised prevalently since the 1950s does not cover the span of history

You are kidding yourself if you think that being uncircumcised won't hurt your chances of having sex in the US

not gonna discuss the quantity of partners ive had but never had a problem once, even had a few jewish girlfriends actually.

Getting cut when you are an adult has a higher chance of complications, and much higher chances at losing sensitivity

short of the military during ww1, god or medical complications, yea not happening

Obvious hygienic reasons. I don't care how clean you are, you have a piece of skin trapping in every bit of sweat, oil, and secretions, and then baking it at a nice 98.6 degrees. Shit is gonna get funky by noon if you scrub in the morning

so its your belief that every pussy out there is funky by noon?

Less likely to contract HIV, and helps lowers your chances of certain cancers

monogamy.... and there is no support as cancer prevention currently accepted by the AMA to say yes this is a cancer prevention method lets encourage it because of it.

It isn't that bad for the baby, if someone says it is then they are lying

desensitizing is not an opinion its a fact, and sure its NOT bad for the baby neither would it be to pierce his body as soon as it was born, what harm could it do right? its deemed NOT neccessary, that its BAD if you do or dont.

its a dick man, it may not be one you have been used for the last 50+ yrs unless your jewish or muslim but its just a dick that was during WW1 altered in this country.

 

[fauxshizle]

I'm cut, happened before any conscious decision could be made on my part.
Though i'd say that....chicks, like the cuttage.

Id say this....Its all about how much interest you have about non-conforming with the established Jewish/catholic tradition. If you practice neither, the small medical benefits seem to be irrelevant. But, seems like if you were cut, that's just a little less bullshit you have to worry about with dick issues.