Cut or uncut?

lets see 15 min ago or 20 YEARS, are those viable comparisons?

im not in charge of directing the factual change away from cutting, its happening whether u or I agree or not

attempting to regurgitate information that is out dated as any means of a supportive argument is pointless

The known world is moving away from it as unneccessary, if you're muslim or jewish I guess you can hang on to it as a religious belief (think all u need is to be the grandfather or a rabbi to cut it)

The world medical community is choosing to not promote it, so once the jr high+ kids grow up and are phased out it wont matter, their input will be a thing of the past.
 
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I'm just wondering what your ideas of viable data are. I'm pretty sure we've had modern medicine over at least the past 2 decades. Why would 20 year old data be invalid?
 
I really should of looked at this thread sooner. I dont understand the point of removing part of your body unless it was for medical reasons. I dont even understand removing for religious reasons. I would miss mine. It's like a nice blanket to keep warm :)
 
viable data
information that has not been discredited and or updated with current information.

some things remain acceptable unless proven erroneous

there are many things in the medical community that actually change in less than 2 decades.

again its not me forcing the change, its a fact that technology and medicine change sometimes rapidly.

look at the "actual" historical data, we were not a circumscision society, in a very short span we went to it

fathers out of fear of the future pain to their children that the military made them endure, encouraged the procedure at birth, and in time the fear of pain for the child was replaced by fear of ridicule if you didnt conform.

I dont think the vast majority of parents had the same ammt of information to make educated decisions back then.
 
viable data
information that has not been discredited and or updated with current information.

some things remain acceptable unless proven erroneous

there are many things in the medical community that actually change in less than 2 decades.

again its not me forcing the change, its a fact that technology and medicine change sometimes rapidly.

look at the "actual" historical data, we were not a circumscision society, in a very short span we went to it

fathers out of fear of the future pain to their children that the military made them endure, encouraged the procedure at birth, and in time the fear of pain for the child was replaced by fear of ridicule if you didnt conform.

I dont think the vast majority of parents had the same ammt of information to make educated decisions back then.

Show us this vast amount of new data in the last 10 years that shows medical benefit.
 
Show how our penises have changed in the last 10 years, and I might show some concern about the data.
 
penises changed dramatically only here in the US during the 1950s, prior to that they remained the same for quite some time around the world (few millenium)hence the need to cut

cut 1st evaluate later or let johny pecker inspector influence or perpetuate the cut should be the standard...............

ok your right what was i thinking
 
I think porn will have more to do with kids getting cut/uncut than any medical evidence. Every penis shall look like a porn star.
 
we shall enter the era of state sponsored boob jobs anal bleaching labiaplasty and brazilian butt implants :)

why stop at using porn to determine if u circ or not, there are quite a few other procedures they do to penis that you may find acceptable for your new born

thanx for the progressive thinking input, im sure it will come to fruition.
 
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Not cut and never have had any complaints. Really, I can see it being done for religious reasons, obvious Judaism, but besides a trend, I don't see a reason to. I know there are also quite a few medical reasons you would do so, but I can't imagine an infant having them. You do not gain anything by doing it sooner than later, save a discoloration but that can be avoided if done proper. I treat it as I would any other plastic surgery, save a legitimate medical concern.

Don't know how many times I've been told from doctors that I should have it done, due to risk of infection and such. I've never heard of anyone having an issue with this that wasn't predisposed or that have their hygienic affairs in order.
 
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not cut, any boys i have wont be either. Had a friend that had it done in his early 20's and he regrets it a bunch now, says sex just isn't the same. Only reason it ever started was because the Jewish people in Egypt only got a bath once every couple years and their penis would fall off from infections.
 
2. Circumcision has documented medical benefits.

3. The pleasure reduction is a valid issue that should be considered, especially if the patient is too young to be involved in the decision. I think it's arguable since most people don't have anything to compare to.

4. Trying to make circumcision ineligible for government medical coverage would be an example of social engineering that should be illegal. If they can provide free medical care to illegal aliens and gender-reassignment surgery to felons in prison, they can certainly provide payment for circumcision which aside from the "clouding" impact of religious involvement, has proven medical benefits.

5. It's unfortunate that this procedure is best done when someone is too young to be involved in the decision because no doubt it has gotta be a rougher procedure when done on an adult.

Link us some solid documented medical benefits of this. The only real proven + is it is less likely to get an infection.

Simply put, if you are to lazy/stupid to roll up your foreskin before you piss, you are going to get an infection from something else in life. If you again refuse to roll up your foreskin while you clean yourself, you again deserve to get an infection.

Its no different then a female having to take time to clean our her vagina when she showers. Just to make it easier for guys to be lazy is NOT medical benefits.

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Circumcision
The American Urological Association, Inc.® (AUA) believes that neonatal circumcision has potential medical benefits and advantages as well as disadvantages and risks. Neonatal circumcision is generally a safe procedure when performed by an experienced operator. There are immediate risks to circumcision such as bleeding, infection and penile injury, as well as complications recognized later that may include buried penis, meatal stenosis, skin bridges, chordee and poor cosmetic appearance. Some of these complications may require surgical correction. Nevertheless, when performed on healthy newborn infants as an elective procedure, the incidence of serious complications is extremely low. The minor complications are reported to be three percent.

Properly performed neonatal circumcision prevents phimosis, paraphimosis and balanoposthitis, and is associated with a decreased incidence of cancer of the penis among U.S. males. In addition, there is a connection between the foreskin and urinary tract infections in the neonate. For the first three to six months of life, the incidence of urinary tract infections is at least ten times higher in uncircumcised than circumcised boys. Evidence associating neonatal circumcision with reduced incidence of sexually transmitted diseases is conflicting. Circumcision may be required in a small number of uncircumcized boys when phimosis, paraphimosis or recurrent balanoposthitis occur and may be requested for ethnic and cultural reasons after the newborn period. Circumcision in these children usually requires general anesthesia.

When circumcision is being discussed with parents and informed consent obtained, medical benefits and risks, and ethnic, cultural, religious and individual preferences should be considered. The risks and disadvantages of circumcision are encountered early whereas the advantages and benefits are prospective.

Three studies from African nations published in 2005 and 2007 provide convincing evidence that circumcision reduces by 50-60% the risk of transmitting the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) to HIV negative men through sexual contact with HIV positive females. While the results of studies in African nations may not necessarily be extrapolated to men in the United States at risk for HIV infection, the American Urological Association recommends that circumcision should be presented as an option for health benefits. Circumcision should not be offered as the only strategy for HIV risk reduction. Other methods of HIV risk reduction, including safe sexual practices, should be emphasized.

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Board of Directors, February 1998 (Revised)
Board of Directors, February 2003 (Revised)
Board of Directors, May 2007 (Revised)

http://www.auanet.org/content/guidelines-and-quality-care/policy-statements/c/circumcision.cfm from the people who deal with penis issues every day. I think the infection issue is most focused on male children before age 1 non circ have 20% increased risk of UTI and 17% on those that get a UTI before 1 have renal scarring.

When on OB watched or completed about 15 circs. All but 2 the baby only cried when the local was administered.
 
I just talked to my doctor this morning. He told me if I let him remove my testicles my chances of getting testicular cancer will be down by 100%! bye bye boys!
 
2. Circumcision has documented medical benefits.

3. The pleasure reduction is a valid issue that should be considered, especially if the patient is too young to be involved in the decision. I think it's arguable since most people don't have anything to compare to.

4. Trying to make circumcision ineligible for government medical coverage would be an example of social engineering that should be illegal. If they can provide free medical care to illegal aliens and gender-reassignment surgery to felons in prison, they can certainly provide payment for circumcision which aside from the "clouding" impact of religious involvement, has proven medical benefits.

5. It's unfortunate that this procedure is best done when someone is too young to be involved in the decision because no doubt it has gotta be a rougher procedure when done on an adult.

Link us some solid documented medical benefits of this. The only real proven + is it is less likely to get an infection.

Simply put, if you are to lazy/stupid to roll up your foreskin before you piss, you are going to get an infection from something else in life. If you again refuse to roll up your foreskin while you clean yourself, you again deserve to get an infection.

Its no different then a female having to take time to clean our her vagina when she showers. Just to make it easier for guys to be lazy is NOT medical benefits.

Policy Title
Back to Policy Statements

Circumcision
The American Urological Association, Inc.® (AUA) believes that neonatal circumcision has potential medical benefits and advantages as well as disadvantages and risks. Neonatal circumcision is generally a safe procedure when performed by an experienced operator. There are immediate risks to circumcision such as bleeding, infection and penile injury, as well as complications recognized later that may include buried penis, meatal stenosis, skin bridges, chordee and poor cosmetic appearance. Some of these complications may require surgical correction. Nevertheless, when performed on healthy newborn infants as an elective procedure, the incidence of serious complications is extremely low. The minor complications are reported to be three percent.

Properly performed neonatal circumcision prevents phimosis, paraphimosis and balanoposthitis, and is associated with a decreased incidence of cancer of the penis among U.S. males. In addition, there is a connection between the foreskin and urinary tract infections in the neonate. For the first three to six months of life, the incidence of urinary tract infections is at least ten times higher in uncircumcised than circumcised boys. Evidence associating neonatal circumcision with reduced incidence of sexually transmitted diseases is conflicting. Circumcision may be required in a small number of uncircumcized boys when phimosis, paraphimosis or recurrent balanoposthitis occur and may be requested for ethnic and cultural reasons after the newborn period. Circumcision in these children usually requires general anesthesia.

When circumcision is being discussed with parents and informed consent obtained, medical benefits and risks, and ethnic, cultural, religious and individual preferences should be considered. The risks and disadvantages of circumcision are encountered early whereas the advantages and benefits are prospective.

Three studies from African nations published in 2005 and 2007 provide convincing evidence that circumcision reduces by 50-60% the risk of transmitting the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) to HIV negative men through sexual contact with HIV positive females. While the results of studies in African nations may not necessarily be extrapolated to men in the United States at risk for HIV infection, the American Urological Association recommends that circumcision should be presented as an option for health benefits. Circumcision should not be offered as the only strategy for HIV risk reduction. Other methods of HIV risk reduction, including safe sexual practices, should be emphasized.

Board of Directors, May 1989
Board of Directors, October 1996 (Revised)
Board of Directors, February 1998 (Revised)
Board of Directors, February 2003 (Revised)
Board of Directors, May 2007 (Revised)

http://www.auanet.org/content/guidelines-and-quality-care/policy-statements/c/circumcision.cfm from the people who deal with penis issues every day. I think the infection issue is most focused on male children before age 1 non circ have 20% increased risk of UTI and 17% on those that get a UTI before 1 have renal scarring.

When on OB watched or completed about 15 circs. All but 2 the baby only cried when the local was administered.

So we are clear, the whole reason they gave the local is so IT WOULD NOT FEEL LIKE THEY JUST GOT SERVED.

No shit they did not cry, they are next to no weight and being drugged so that the feel NO PAIN. Now if to you this seems ok. Why not wait till its his/her personal choice, as only 2/10 guys would even cry when its completed at a later date. Because the local is such a wonderful drug, you can cut the tip of your dick off and not hurt.

That all aside. That medical crap you posted is crap. The first year of birth you have a higher chance of UTI, no shit. The baby is a year old and does not understand that it needs to clean itself. Cut or uncut a baby is going to get a UTI if not cleaned properly. I am 34, I have never had a UTI even as a child. Then again it seems pretty simple clean your shit off when you use it. It is more work as a parent I am sure. Just stop coming back with its unsafe because it causes UTIs. It does not CAUSE them. It may raise the risk. Yet if you do as you should, be doing being cut or uncut. The odds you get one is very slim unless your dipping your pecker in something tainted. That is still a personal choice.
 
Agree we need to change the subject for peni (plural) analysis to other areas

Need the breast enhancement b4 and after pics of your girlfriend's buttocks implants labiaplasty (debatable on pics) anal bleaching b4 and after, maybe just after of your wives etc.

to see what consensus we have about where to move forward as a society, feel free to cite religious or social reasoning along w the pictures ummmmkay

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Agree we need to change the subject for peni (plural) analysis to other areas

Need the breast enhancement b4 and after pics of your girlfriend's buttocks implants labiaplasty (debatable on pics) anal bleaching b4 and after, maybe just after of your wives etc.

to see what consensus we have about where to move forward as a society, feel free to cite religious or social reasoning along w the pictures ummmmkay

HAHAHAHAHAHA

I would love an ass implant. But I am strongly against altering of our body for cosmetic reasons.
 
Ooo ass implants so when you sit down it feels like your sitting on a cloud.

With the adding bonus of having a killer badonkadonk
 
whats your opinion on tattoos or earrings ?





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